Hi Andy, While researching some informations for Die Another Day, I realized that the names of the two South Korean agents accompanying Bond at the start of the pre-credits sequence were mentioned as Don and Lee in Raymond Benson's novelization. Unfortunately, I cannot find the interpreters of these two characters and wonder if we should create their own pages. What do you think ?
Hmm, good question. I'll leave it to your discretion. Not much to say about the characters though - even in Benson's fleshed-out story, they're basically just faceless South Korean agents. Might make creating a full article difficult. Your call though!
I am currently doing a major restructuring in the French wiki where I would like to integrate more information on video games, in particular by creating pages for each game and each character as it is the case on this wiki. For this, I would like to get good quality screenshots of video games like those you have published on this wiki but I just do not know how to get screenshots on consoles and how you obtained these images. Is there software to take screenshots of a console screen like that of an Xbox or a PlayStation? Have you taken them on the Internet?
Heyo. Figured I'd start a new thread here, but I was thinking that we might try to implement more media-based navboxes and a system of image galleries? We have something similar with Aston Martin DB5 appearances, but just maybe change the title to Aston Martin DB5/Gallery? I have a potential Casino Royale film navbox set up in the sandbox, but I'll try to paste it here. here's hoping it works.
I can't take all the credit. I borrowed the layout from my other wiki project. We've been doing Navboxes like this for some time now, and I've thought about trying to implement them here, and I apparently have a nasty habit of making more work for myself! Anyhow, I'm thinking that you have vector images of the various film/book logos, and those would be really helpful for this. It'll also help us tackle James Bond Junior. I don't think the header alone is going to be anywhere close to enough for that here's an example of how we do TV shows over there But I think the JBJ novels could do with their own separate pages, but again, that's a bridge I'll have to cross when I come to it.
Hey Andy. You been foing good? I know I haven't been terribly active of late, but looking around the wiki I've seen a lot of articles formatted in widely different ways and I was wondering if you might be interested in creating some kind of template thing for people to use? With all of Wikia/Fandom's new additions, I believe there is a way to set this up. To be quite honest I use the classic source editor myself, so, I don't see it too much but, I've seen on some page creation prompts that you can set it up with a template. I believe it's just a generic thing for now, but with some work from the "back-end" we might be able to pull it off. Just a thought. Hope you've been doing well.
The Boy Who Cried Godzilla (talk) 20:09, February 29, 2020 (UTC)
I had this whole thing written up for you suggesting some crap but I suppose it was ultimately aimless but it got deleted. I guess the main points were, and feel free to ask me for clarification or further discussion, but,
- While I understand your reservations, I feel that it is irresponsible as a wiki to separate the Fleming stories from the rest of the series, particularly when they try to work with his time period. This I noted on the Loelia Ponsonby page, but quite honestly, all of the main recurring literary cast, Bond's included, pages are lacking in my opinion, and are written more as overviews of a personality than as descriptions of a character's actions. At any rate, I feel like if we put our heads together, a timeline is not out of our means, complicated as it may be.
- I've recently acquired all of the James Bond Junior novels, including 003 1/2, which, on the first page breaks continuity so greatly that I think it would warrant the creation of a second "literary bond" under the header of the disambiguation page. Like, his name and 007 title are public knowledge, and apparently Andrew Bond died three years before the book, potentially well into Bond's career, not to mention his brother Dave... It's a wild time.
-Now I'd also like to say that at this point in time it seems that Carte Blanche disregards even the Fleming books and stands firmly on its own, which could warrant a separate page for him as well, and also, my previous efforts to make characters separate pages for their novelized counterparts was a bit absurd, and it lead to film characters cluttering the literary characters category, but that's another matter.
-I know that it would be easy to push off timelining as impossible, but, frankly, there is little to no information on the post-fleming novels online. No-one takes them seriously, and I feel like we have the potential to change that. I don't know.
Sorry if this comes off as preachy or talking down to you, but there's a lot more to do here than I can do alone, but I would also feel really weird and out of place if I didn't get approval for riskier moves first? I apologize, Andy. I'm not really sure what the point of all of this is, but, yeah. We still have a million no-name grunts around. I still don't believe that they all need dedicated pages, but I will admit that I was a bit too restrained before. Bond's franchise is very character driven, so naturally there would be more character interactions and thus characterization, but the hundreds of glorified background extras I feel are unnesescary, but I don't feel like I have the authority to say so? I'm sorry. It's late and I lost my previous draft of this, and I am not really sure what I'm doing, but I hope to hear from you soon.
No need to worry, I totally understand where you're coming from. Ideally, I would love to establish more continuity between all the literary media.
But, as you know, its a nightmare due to the various authors seemingly wanting to bolt their sagas onto Fleming's work; but disregarding eachother's material. The timeline and its content is sadly chaos, with the location of Fleming's books placed in different decades and melieu by the authors - Gardner placed the Fleming novels in the 1960s and early 1970s. Benson (perhaps) takes elements of Gardner's continuity, but dismisses other aspects (they're generally very much their own thing, modelled after the current 007 films). Both of Christopher Wood's novelisations tie directly into Golden Gun, in a spin-off series. Later, contra Fleming, Sebastian Faulks assumed the novels were set when they were published and William Boyd ran with that timeline - resulting in some disparity. Horowitz disregarded Faulks and Boyd, setting his books up as prequels in Fleming's original 1950s setting. I haven't read Young Bond myself, but I'd wager there's some complications there with regard to Horowitz.
Its the only reason why, up to now, I've attempted to divide them into separate continuities bolted onto Fleming's work; as unsatisfying as that is for both of us, sadly. If there is a way to create greater cohesion I'll certainly be happy to assist in that endeavor. Its a real mess - how should we record all this varying content? Like the Marvel Comics approach with dozens of character versions based on their continuities? Or try to combine as many as possible together? Thanks for highlighting all this, because its definitely something we need to have a good hard think about moving forward. I've been focussing more on literary content of late; hopefully we can get them fleshed out a lot more and up to spec. Working through the Trouble Spot strips right now (Gah! Another continuity! lol), but we'll get there eventually.
Oh I get all that, which is why I think a timeline would be best built upon Bond's age at the time it occurs, time of year clues like months or seasons, and as I was lying awake last night I considered that it might not be impossible that at least some of the Gardner-Benson works might take place in between the Fleming stories as well. It'll be a headache for sure, but now that it's more or less common practice to set novels in the native Fleming period, I don't imagine that it'll be too big of a problem going forward. I don't think I touched on this, but the comics are a different beast entirely. The Daily Express stuff is based on Fleming, and some of the Dynamite stuff is as well, but Dark Horse is just all over the place and the modern-set dynamite things seem to be in their own little bubble...
Just to keep you in the loop, today I messaged Lucho who is the Director of TV/Movies at Fandom regarding a possibile collaboration with us and Fandom to promote No Time To Die's release and generate fan interest (please see here: https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:1809072#2).
Elsa from Fandom has got back and wants to go forward with this, specifically launching a competition-style promotion whereby fans can create their own fantasy Bond film and win a prize for the best one (please see here: https://jamesbond.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:29471).
We willl soon discuss ideas and plans on email so would you like to provide me with your personal email so that you can be included in discussions? My email for reference is: email@example.com (also I think it would a good idea for us to talk on email about things like this in the future so it is a bit more private than messaging on here!)
I've had an interesting idea for how to retain your formatting by creating a list of levels from From Russia with Love. What do you think? Should provide the freedom to catalogue all the levels, with tables and relevant data. Feel free to mess around with it. I've added a little stub remark on the London article, so don't worry about that one.
However, the more I look into it, the more it seems that GoldenEye's first name being Johnathon is just a widely accepted urban legend. I've tried diggig around the old Rogue Agent website, and through the PS2 manual, which many claim to have his full name listed. But in one of my searches, it seems that our site referring to him as Johnathon is being treated as confirmation of this by some fans. The Xbox manual does confirm his surname as Hunter, but that's all she wrote. Hope you're doing well.